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    Anyone have a definition for Illuminating appliances? I know what it is.. just looking for a word for word definition. Grassy-es.

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    Hi Marc,

    Looking online, I see that there are "illuminating appliances" and "gas-fired illuminating appliances". If gas-fired, then UL has this:

    http://productspec.ul.com/document.p...NCOG.GuideInfo

    Not really a definition, per se...

    I also found some kind of documentation regarding a patent, but this seems to be for neon or fluorsecent type...

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US1680633

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist View Post
    Hi Marc,

    Looking online, I see that there are "illuminating appliances" and "gas-fired illuminating appliances". If gas-fired, then UL has this:

    http://productspec.ul.com/document.p...NCOG.GuideInfo

    Not really a definition, per se...

    I also found some kind of documentation regarding a patent, but this seems to be for neon or fluorsecent type...

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US1680633
    Hey wuts up GA...
    I saw this on UL.. Im cool with that definition but was just looking for something that said "Illuminating appliances are....."
    Im assuming its just one of those terms where definition=combustion(x)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc M View Post
    Hey wuts up GA...
    I saw this on UL.. Im cool with that definition but was just looking for something that said "Illuminating appliances are....."
    Im assuming its just one of those terms where definition=combustion(x)
    I figured you were looking for something like that.

    My collection of International Fuel Gas Codes is kind of sparse. The 2006 IFGC does have a section on "Illuminating Appliances" (628) but does not have a specific definition other than "Appliance", which does mention lighting.

    JP might have something.

    APPLIANCE (EQUIPMENT). Any apparatus or equipment
    that utilizes gas as a fuel or raw material to produce light, heat,
    power, refrigeration or air conditioning.

    APPLIANCE, FAN-ASSISTED COMBUSTION. An appli*-
    ance equipped with an integral mechanical means to either
    draw or force products of combustion through the combustion
    chamber or heat exchanger.


    APPLIANCE, AUTOMATICALLY CONTROLLED.
    Appliances equipped with an automatic burner ignition and
    safety shutoff device and other automatic devices which
    accomplish complete tum-on and shutoff of the gas to the main
    burner or burners, and graduate the gas supply to the burner or
    burners, but do not affect complete shutoff of the gas.


    APPLIANCE TYPE.
    Low-heat appliance (residential appliance). Any appli*-
    ance in which the products of combustion at the point of
    entrance to the flue under normal operating conditions have
    a temperature of 1,000oP (538?C) or less.


    Medium-heat appliance. Any appliance in which the prod*-
    ucts of combustion at the point of entrance to the flue under
    normal operating conditions have a temperature of more than
    1,000?F (538?C), but not greater than 2,000?F(1093?C).

    APPLIANCE, UNVENTED

    An appliance designed or
    installed in such a manner that the products of combustion are not
    conveyed by a vent or chimney directly to the outside atmosphere.

    APPLIANCE, VENTED.
    An appliance designed and

    installed in such a manner that all of the products of combus*-
    tion are conveyed directly from the appliance to the outside
    atmosphere through an approved chimney or vent system.


    APPROVED. Acceptable to the code official or other author-
    ity having jurisdiction.


    On an aside, I also found a reference for gas-fired toilets! Ouch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist View Post
    I figured you were looking for something like that.

    My collection of International Fuel Gas Codes is kind of sparse. The 2006 IFGC does have a section on "Illuminating Appliances" (628) but does not have a specific definition other than "Appliance", which does mention lighting.

    JP might have something.

    APPLIANCE (EQUIPMENT). Any apparatus or equipment
    that utilizes gas as a fuel or raw material to produce light, heat,
    power, refrigeration or air conditioning.

    APPLIANCE, FAN-ASSISTED COMBUSTION. An appli*-
    ance equipped with an integral mechanical means to either
    draw or force products of combustion through the combustion
    chamber or heat exchanger.


    APPLIANCE, AUTOMATICALLY CONTROLLED.
    Appliances equipped with an automatic burner ignition and
    safety shutoff device and other automatic devices which
    accomplish complete tum-on and shutoff of the gas to the main
    burner or burners, and graduate the gas supply to the burner or
    burners, but do not affect complete shutoff of the gas.


    APPLIANCE TYPE.
    Low-heat appliance (residential appliance). Any appli*-
    ance in which the products of combustion at the point of
    entrance to the flue under normal operating conditions have
    a temperature of 1,000oP (538?C) or less.


    Medium-heat appliance. Any appliance in which the prod*-
    ucts of combustion at the point of entrance to the flue under
    normal operating conditions have a temperature of more than
    1,000?F (538?C), but not greater than 2,000?F(1093?C).

    APPLIANCE, UNVENTED

    An appliance designed or
    installed in such a manner that the products of combustion are not
    conveyed by a vent or chimney directly to the outside atmosphere.

    APPLIANCE, VENTED.
    An appliance designed and

    installed in such a manner that all of the products of combus*-
    tion are conveyed directly from the appliance to the outside
    atmosphere through an approved chimney or vent system.


    APPROVED. Acceptable to the code official or other author-
    ity having jurisdiction.


    On an aside, I also found a reference for gas-fired toilets! Ouch.
    I need to get that code. Looks like a winner from where im sitting. Thanks for doing that brother.

    Does Ca reference the IFGC or just the NFPA and CPC?
    Not doing too much inspecting nowadays so my code knowledge is rusty not seeing this stuff daily.
    That must be where they get the term lighting a fire under your A$$? My dad used to say that to me... actually it was more like he was yelling that to me. lol


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    Default Re: Illuminating appliances definition

    Without another specific definition, I would go with 'with a flame which produces illumination', i.e., is intended to give off light (illuminates).

    https://www.techstreet.com/mss/products/preview/1870263

    "At the March 10, 1959 meeting of the ASA Sectional Committee Z21, it was agreed that there was aneed for a standard for gas lights ... "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc M View Post
    I need to get that code. Looks like a winner from where im sitting. Thanks for doing that brother.

    Does Ca reference the IFGC or just the NFPA and CPC?
    Not doing too much inspecting nowadays so my code knowledge is rusty not seeing this stuff daily.
    That must be where they get the term lighting a fire under your A$$? My dad used to say that to me... actually it was more like he was yelling that to me. lol
    Marc,

    I am not entirely sure. To the best of my knowledge, the California Codes include these model codes, modified for California.
    International Building Code
    International Residential Code (building portion only)
    Uniform Plumbing Code
    Uniform Mechanical Code
    National Electric Code
    Green Building Code
    California Administrative Code
    California Reference Standards Code.

    I believe the UPC/CPC references the IFGC just as the NEC references ANSI. If that is indeed the case, then CA would indirectly enforce the IFGC.

    You might already have this, but there are a couple of free sources for some codes. Unfortunately, NFPA does not play well with others. Also, I purchased some legacy UPC from IAPMO a few years ago on a CD, but don't see it on their website any longer.

    https://law.resource.org/pub/us/code/safety.html
    https://law.resource.org/pub/us/code/bsc.ca.gov/
    http://digitalassets.lib.berkeley.ed...arlyyears.html

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    Default Re: Illuminating appliances definition

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist View Post
    Marc,

    I am not entirely sure. To the best of my knowledge, the California Codes include these model codes, modified for California.
    International Building Code
    International Residential Code (building portion only)
    Uniform Plumbing Code
    Uniform Mechanical Code
    National Electric Code
    Green Building Code
    California Administrative Code
    California Reference Standards Code.

    I believe the UPC/CPC references the IFGC just as the NEC references ANSI. If that is indeed the case, then CA would indirectly enforce the IFGC.

    You might already have this, but there are a couple of free sources for some codes. Unfortunately, NFPA does not play well with others. Also, I purchased some legacy UPC from IAPMO a few years ago on a CD, but don't see it on their website any longer.

    https://law.resource.org/pub/us/code/safety.html
    https://law.resource.org/pub/us/code/bsc.ca.gov/
    http://digitalassets.lib.berkeley.ed...arlyyears.html

    Thank you sir..


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