Toilet Rough-In ? - InspectionNews

Rick Hurst · #1 (**permalink**) 11-19-2007, 06:03 PM

Is it 13 or 15 in. centerline from the wall?

I guess they'll have to cross their legs on this one.

rick

Joshua Hardesty · #2 (**permalink**) 11-19-2007, 06:08 PM

15 or 18 I think. But, "more than that."

Bruce Breedlove · #3 (**permalink**) 11-19-2007, 06:24 PM

Sen. Larry Craig would have trouble sitting on that toilet with his "wide stance". But that ceramic tile would be great for foot tapping.

Rick Cantrell · #4 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 04:28 AM

It's 15" both sides of center line, 21" in front of rim.

Bob White · #5 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 05:00 AM

That's the new "sidesaddle" model.

Jerry Peck · #6 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick Cantrell

It's 15" both sides of center line, 21" in front of rim.

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Originally Posted by Joshua Hardesty

15 or 18 I think. But, "more than that."

Rick,

15" is the absolute minimum, however, if this needs to meet Fair Housing Act Guidelines, then it needs to be at 18". Typically, though, you will only find that in condos, and then typically in the master bath.

I'm not up on the Fair Housing Act Guidelines, but I see plans which specify that 18" and show the wheelchair accessible space in front of the tub, lav, water closet, in the kitchen and in the laundry too.

That's why (I think) Joshua stated 'or 18 I think'.

I'm guessing that new member Alan Turner ("I'm not a home inspector, just worked in landscape design and architectural firms for about 30 years, and somewhere along the line got the name ADA Nazi because I got the job of reviewing plans for ADA compliance.") would know quite a bit about the Fair Housing Act Guidelines ... maybe he will see this and respond.

Rick Cantrell · #7 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 08:41 AM

It's been a few years since I read anything about ADA, but if I remember correctly:
1) 5'x5' free space in front of toilet for wheelchair access
2) Handicap toilet (taller)
3) grab bars
4) Sink without lower cabinets (for wheelchair access).
5) Water and drain pipes are protected with padded covers.
6) faucet has levers not knobs
7) doors have levers not knobs
8) access door(s) to bathroom is 36"
This may not be correct, it's just the way I remember it.

Rick Hurst · #8 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 09:45 AM

If I took in account the width of this clients backside, 36 inches wouldn't have been enough.

He was a big ole boy.

But I did put 15-18in. on the report.

The width of this hall to the bedroom was going to be an issue for him he stated too.

rick

Erby Crofutt · #9 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 11:35 AM

ADA Compliance requirements can be found online in a 4.5 MB PDF File available from the United States Access Board at this link.

http://www.access-board.gov/ada-aba/final.pdf

If you're on dial up you might want to use the online version which downloads as just a section at a time.

ADA-ABA Accessibility Guidelines

In regards to the toilet distance from wall, it depends: Not only is there a minimum but a maximum in ADA Compliant stalls.

604.2 Location. The water closet shall be positioned with a wall or partition to the rear and to one side.
The centerline of the water closet shall be 16 inches (405 mm) minimum to 18 inches (455 mm) maximum from the side wall or partition, except that the water closet shall be 17 inches (430 mm) minimum and 19 inches (485 mm) maximum from the side wall or partition in the ambulatory accessible toilet compartment specified in 604.8.2. Water closets shall be arranged for a left-hand or right-hand approach.

604.8.1.1 Size. Wheelchair accessible compartments shall be 60 inches (1525 mm) wide minimum measured perpendicular to the side wall, and 56 inches (1420 mm) deep minimum for wall hung water closets and 59 inches (1500 mm) deep minimum for floor mounted water closets measured perpendicular to the rear wall. Wheelchair accessible compartments for children's use shall be 60 inches (1525 mm) wide minimum measured perpendicular to the side wall, and 59 inches (1500 mm) deep minimum for wall hung and floor mounted water closets measured perpendicular to the rear wall.

Advisory 604.8.1.1 Size. The minimum space required in toilet compartments is provided so that a person using a wheelchair can maneuver into position at the water closet. This space cannot be obstructed by baby changing tables or other fixtures or conveniences, except as specified at 604.3.2 (Overlap). If toilet compartments are to be used to house fixtures other than those associated with the water closet, they must be designed to exceed the minimum space requirements. Convenience fixtures such as baby changing tables must also be accessible to people with disabilities as well as to other users. Toilet compartments that are designed to meet, and not exceed, the minimum space requirements may not provide adequate space for maneuvering into position at a baby changing table.

There's a bunch of diagrams, etc, to help you figure it all out.

imported_John Smith · #10 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 05:29 PM

Rick, that looks like the same dimensional tolerances used in the Houston area. +/- 6". I have seen it on older houses and on new houses. When I layed the tile in my own home, the fellow I bought the tile from suggested I lay it on the diagonal. Once he explained it to me, it made perfect sense (helps with hiding bad building practices).

Jerry Peck · #11 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Hurst

The width of this hall to the bedroom was going to be an issue for him he stated too.

That sure is not going to meet the required minimum hall width dimension either, is it?

brian schmitt · #12 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 09:22 AM

the hallway would require a minimum 36" wide path and the toilet looks like a pats game ,standing room only!

Billy Stephens · #13 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

That sure is not going to meet the required minimum hall width dimension either, is it?

Mr Peck,

Is the hallway requirement measured from the sheet rock to sheet rock? Or trim to trim?

They appear to be 15" tile.

brian schmitt · #14 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 03:05 PM

billy,
face of finish to face of finish. that one is real wrong,red tag it. you need 3' in front of dee dough.

Jerry Peck · #15 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Stephens

Is the hallway requirement measured from the sheet rock to sheet rock? Or trim to trim?

Wall to wall (paint to paint).

Quote:

They appear to be 15" tile.

Assuming that is a 2'6" wide door, those tiles are likely 12" tiles, could even be 9" tiles as there is a little (maybe an inch) past the first full tile in the doorway and a little (maybe 2 inches) this side of the tile.

Billy Stephens · #16 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Wall to wall (paint to paint).

Assuming that is a 2'6" wide door, those tiles are likely 12" tiles, could even be 9" tiles as there is a little (maybe an inch) past the first full tile in the doorway and a little (maybe 2 inches) this side of the tile.

Thank You I was guessing 32" door. !5" tile measured across is about 20".

Rick Hurst · #17 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 05:00 PM

Good eye there Billy.

That door is a 32in. door as you thought. That entrance is to a prior garage that has been converted to a bedroom. Hard to tell in the picture, but the floor is lower in the room than the hallway.

Now imagine that is the only doorway into that bedroom and you have to take in your furniture through that small opening of the hallway.

Once I pointed that to the client he said that was not going to work out at all.

rick

Billy Stephens · #18 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Hurst

That entrance is to a prior garage that has been converted to a bedroom.

only doorway into that bedroom

rick

RICK,

You mean they didn't leave the Roll UP Door installed!

Rick Hurst · #19 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 07:16 PM

Billy,

No, they actually took out the overhead garage door but installed the wood siding in contact with the concrete with no flashing.