Thread: kickout flashings and wood to shingle contact

I inspected a home yesterday and the home was 2 years old. The kickout flashings were installed wrong or not installed at all. The wood on the soffit was touching the shingles on the roof and the wood on the roof chimney was touching the shingles. The builder told the buyers they don't need kickout flashings and there were no codes for them and the wood shingle contact was fine. Does anyone have any input?

Thanks,

Ryan

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Originally Posted by Ryan Stouffer

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l The wood on the soffit was touching the shingles on the roof and the wood on the roof chimney was touching the shingles. The builder told the buyers they don't need kickout flashings and there were no codes for them and the wood shingle contact was fine.

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All cladding Manufacturers ( that I'm aware of ) Require clearance from the shingles.

Some are 3/4 up to 1 1/2 inches.

Attachment is from Certain teed Fiber Cement Installation Instructions.

If Fiber Cement is subject to water deterioration with out the Required Clearances wood don't stand a chance.

The Builder, Built The Home( no clearance from shingles to cladding ) to Look Pretty from the Curb.
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Billy,

I don't see in the attachment where it addresses kick-out flashing.

Ryan,

I have looked in the past for kick-out flashing requirements in the codes, and have been unsuccessful. As others have said before me, code is the minimum crap that you are legally allowed to build.

However, as Billy said, I have found the requirement in the siding manufacturer's installation instructions. Posted is Hardie's West Coast installation instructions. If the siding on the house you inspected is a different brand, you might have to look up other instructions.

Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist

Billy,

I don't see in the attachment where it addresses kick-out flashing.
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Try These.
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Originally Posted by Billy Stephens

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Try These.
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Still does not specify a kick-out flashing, only a flashing which will not allow water to enter into the wall.

That is, unless I missed it in there. What was it Aaron said recently: You can't miss what is not there.

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Still does not specify a kick-out flashing, only a flashing which will not allow water to enter into the wall.

That is, unless I missed it in there. What was it Aaron said recently: You can't miss what is not there.

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Take The Flashing of Your Choice.
* if the Flashing allows water to enter the Structure it's not Flashing ( It's Just Decoration. )
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http://www.homebuilders.org/file_dep...49486/4251.pdf

I've put together a collection of kickout flashing information here:

Paragon Home Inspections Chicago / Evanston / Wilmette - Understanding Kickout Flashings


(Note: In some versions of IE, you may need to to scroll the page once to get everything display properly).

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Still does not specify a kick-out flashing, only a flashing which will not allow water to enter into the wall.

That is, unless I missed it in there. What was it Aaron said recently: You can't miss what is not there.

Originally Posted by Billy Stephens

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Take The Flashing of Your Choice.
* if the Flashing allows water to enter the Structure it's not Flashing ( It's Just Decoration. )

You STILL did not say the code requires a kick-out flashing ... only a "flashing".

You need to keep in mind that Ryan stated "The builder told the buyers they don't need kickout flashings and there were no codes for them " and that statement is correct.

Now TO ACCOMPLISH the necessary water diversion, a kick-out flashing is probably the only flashing which will accomplish that - even though the code does not require a kick-out flashing.

Originally Posted by Michael Thomas

I've put together a connection of kickout flashing information here:

Paragon Home Inspections Chicago / Evanston / Wilmette - Understanding Kickout Flashings

(Note: In some versions of IE, you may need to to scroll the page once to get everything display properly).

The photo in your information which shows the preformed kick-out flashing and the step flashing is incorrect.

The step flashings are supposed to be installed as each course of shingles is installed, not installed first and nailed in place as shown in that photo.

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

You STILL did not say the code requires a kick-out flashing ... only a "flashing".

You need to keep in mind that Ryan stated "The builder told the buyers they don't need kickout flashings and there were no codes for them " and that statement is correct.

Now TO ACCOMPLISH the necessary water diversion, a kick-out flashing is probably the only flashing which will accomplish that - even though the code does not require a kick-out flashing.

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Mr. Peck Code Does Say Flashing Is Required to Prevent Water Entry Into The Dwelling.

It is The Builders Job to Accomplish The Required Flashing Materials and Correct Installation Methods.

He can Squall About The First Name of The Required Flashing but it is Still Required.

Originally Posted by Billy Stephens

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Mr. Peck Code Does Say Flashing Is Required to Prevent Water Entry Into The Dwelling.

It is The Builders Job to Accomplish The Required Flashing Materials and Correct Installation Methods.

He can Squall About The First Name of The Required Flashing but it is Still Required.

Precisely what I have been telling you, but YOU insisted as calling it "kickout" flashing.

*I* was simply stating that the code only requires "flashing".

[quote=Jerry Peck;96067]

Precisely what I have been telling you, but YOU insisted as calling it "kickout" flashing.

*I was simply stating that the code only requires "flashing".

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Mr. Peck,

Walgreen's has New Readers on Sale ( please take advantage of their offer.)
* please show me where I ever used the Term Kickout flashing.

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Originally Posted by Billy Stephens

please show me where I ever used the Term Kickout flashing.

See below, Gunnar asked about them and you very kindly directed him to them, and did not state they were otherwise, meaning you were accepting the term and using it toward your link.

Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist

Billy,

I don't see in the attachment where it addresses kick-out flashing.

Originally Posted by Billy Stephens

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Try These.
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Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

See below, Gunnar asked about them and you very kindly directed him to them, and did not state they were otherwise, meaning you were accepting the term and using it toward your link.

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Here We GO Again Telling Folks What They Meant.
* do you read minds as well?.

Originally Posted by Billy Stephens

Here We GO Again Telling Folks What They Meant.
* do you read minds as well?.

Guess so, I read yours.

Originally Posted by Billy Stephens

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Here We GO Again Telling Folks What They Meant.
* do you read minds as well?.

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Guess so, I read yours.

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What am I Thinking Now !
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Originally Posted by Billy Stephens

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What am I Thinking Now !
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I heard a fart in the distance.

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

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I heard a fart in the distance.

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Not Even Close.

Man Your Just Not trying Hard Enough.
* just assuming.
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Originally Posted by Billy Stephens

Not Even Close.

Billy,

I know you are not even close to me, that's why I heard it in the distance.

Ok

Jerry gets one two and joins the Bill and Aaron club

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Billy,

I know you are not even close to me, that's why I heard it in the distance.

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You Sure The Hot Tamale Man didn't drop off Your Wednesday 2 Dozen Order ?
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Billy,

And I thought I just heard you brain fart, did not know it was a ripe and juicy one out the other end that I heard all the way down here.

Thanks for sharing that ... I guess.

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Billy,

And I thought I just heard you brain fart, did not know it was a ripe and juicy one out the other end that I heard all the way down here.

Thanks for sharing that ... I guess.

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Must be Slow on The "Ask The Code Man" Site.

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* but thanks for your concern for my gastric well being.
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Yep, always is when things start out, especially when the original audience is not everyone.