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    In my opinion any time a roof terminates at a vertical wall kick out flashing should be installed to prevent moisture from getting behind the siding. I have documented this in my reports only to have roofers tell me that the flashing is fine. I understand kick out flashing is not required by the building code but I believe it to be best pratice. I have attached two photos of roof wall junctures. One with kick out and one with out. What are your thoughts on this.

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    Default Re: kick out flashing

    From what I can see in the pics, I wouldn't call that kick out flashing, but I can say that the flashing in the first picture is much better than picture two.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Hart View Post
    I understand kick out flashing is not required by the building code ...
    It's been required here in MN for 5 or 6 years.

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    My thoughts?

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    (Yes, Jerry, I know the step flashing is incorrect, and this will be noted in Rev 2.0 of the site, rolling out Dec 1).

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    Default Re: kick out flashing

    Here's a pic from a field manual.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I refer to the detail on the left side as a "kickout flashing" and the one on the right as a "step flashing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Dirks Jr View Post
    Here's a pic from a field manual.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I refer to the detail on the left side as a "kickout flashing" and the one on the right as a "step flashing".

    John,

    Go to Michael's link in his post above and look at center photo where 3 photos are staggered across the page, the center (and left) photos show kickout flashing and step flashings used in conjunction with each other.

    The flashing you referred to on the left is a base flashing, base wall flashing, and probably has other names as well. The photo shows it being used as a 'headwall flashing', but it is still at the base of the wall, hence the 'base flashing' name.

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    I worked for a englishman roofer in 1978 and was taught to make kick out like the attached photos. These photos are from a step by step of the process I created to show developers when I have to debate with them. most of them have never seen a hand brake as pictured.

    The step wall flashing that at least terminates on the exterior of the siding, I would accept it... sometimes you have to pick your battles to win the war.

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    Joseph, can you give it an angle so the needles and leaves don't build up in the corner?

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    you sure can John, easy to angle 10 degrees. Usually vinyl "j" channel is 7/8" wide so theres not much to gather in there and we will swipe some caulk in there which typically will create a swale to the flashings outside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post
    John,

    Go to Michael's link in his post above and look at center photo where 3 photos are staggered across the page, the center (and left) photos show kickout flashing and step flashings used in conjunction with each other.

    The flashing you referred to on the left is a base flashing, base wall flashing, and probably has other names as well. The photo shows it being used as a 'headwall flashing', but it is still at the base of the wall, hence the 'base flashing' name.

    Thanks Jerry, I'll have to brush up on my terminology.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Ehrhardt View Post
    I worked for a englishman roofer in 1978 and was taught to make kick out like the attached photos. These photos are from a step by step of the process I created to show developers when I have to debate with them. most of them have never seen a hand brake as pictured.

    The step wall flashing that at least terminates on the exterior of the siding, I would accept it... sometimes you have to pick your battles to win the war.
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