Thread: What is this "flashing" material

1) Theses were picture was taken by the client several days after the inspection. At the time of inspection the gutter was filled with ice, and the ice extended as a sheet several feet back from the gutter and over the roof, so there was no way to examine this area at the inspection.

The owner had a roofer come out to make repairs, and these pictures were taken after the roofer had "melted the ice off the roof".

Because I was not there when the area was exposed, all the information I have is in these pictures.

2) No one is disputing the roofing job was a mess, and there is no problem with the inspection, the questions are being asked for my own information.

3) The first two pictures are there to establish where the area in the third and forth are located.

Questions are:

A. In the third picture, what is the material wrapped down into the gutter, and mechanically fastened to it.

B. What is the material embedded in the roof at the right of the last picture? Note that it appears to be bent upwards at the left rear, and that the front edge may have been formed with a "diamond" patern.

I've never seen any flashing component like it, the closest thing I've see is the metal edge and corner bead for ceramic tile, but that is a lighter gauge material.

My guess is that "it was sitting there in the bed of the truck" and was used to reinforce the seam above it, but I just want to be sure.

Thanks as always.

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Appears to be a modified such as GAF Rubberoid, torch applied.

The stamped or hammered copper (?) sheet looks like it was applied over sticky Peel & stick Ice & water sheild with some clear caulk at the top lip; corner edge looks like part of a copper trough/gutter hanger in the corner or might be grounding hardware (perhaps to bond the massive gutters or an antenae (TV?) or an electrified sign on the roof at one time? or from a lightning system)? Below that corner looks almost like a tar/roofing adhesive coated grounding clamp.

The material behind "up in the air" in the last photo ...appears to be lead flashing which may originally have been bent/flashed into the gutter from the roof (and over the interesting "handy" copper/caulking/watersheild patch and old tar or adhesive) but has been flipped up and the previously unseen side is exposed to the camera - the former "top side" would be opposite.

Is that what you're asking about?

Don't know why someone would use usually more expensive hammered or stamped copper unless it was to use up or recycle some copper sheet or roll from another project or it was scrounged by a DIYer/Handy-type; However I suspect it may have originally been a bit of sheet or roll stock and was "formed" and "impressed" into the I&Wshield when the lead was reformed overtop with whatever ingenuity the handy repairer utilized. Perhaps there was a layer of expanded metal over top of the gutter trough as a leaf and bird shield and it too was pounded upon and made its "mark"?

Perhaps "roofer" should be in quotes.

Was this res. or other? detached alley garage? Looks like its had multiple layers of work and some age on it. Was there a deck on the roof at one time?

If I've missed what you were asking about, could you dab an arrow on the third and fourth picture as to what you're asking about? It would make it clearer? Thanks.

Bottom line on those "flaps" in the air in the last two pics - I believe to be lead, the hammered or stamped material - to be copper.

HG, I believe that's mod bit (look at the thickness and the lower margin), though it appeared metallic to me at first look as well.

One suggestion re picture 3 is that it's mod bit (lapped down into the gutter) washed with a coal tar based material.

Another is that metal embedded at upper right in picture 4 is a circular saw "demolition" blade(!)

It's a mess, fer' sure, and since I was not there when it was exposed, I'll guess I'll just leave it at that, and recommend repair or replacement, and that the roofer be crucified.

MT,

I think it is possible pictures 3 & 4 are taken before and after a further excavation - not at the same time. Picture 4 may be the "before" and copper fastened with copper nails and clear caulk at top (previously flashed over top with formed lead now "flap up in air", and picture 3 was taken after the copper was removed exposing the mod bit or I&WSheild patch underneath. Actually, I'm thinking the materials scrounger may have gotten some copper painted or coated steel and that may be some rust residue on the peel & stick after the sheet metal looking like copper was removed.

I believe picture 3 is a Peel & stick type flashing repair, that I have only actually seen at a trade show. Novel idea but looks like it was grossly misused here. The membrane does look like a Mod bit (SBS or APP) or A.K.A. "torch-on", again, grossly misused. (such as Flex-Flash Flashing)

Frank Suchodolski, TQ, RRO