Patio cover to Fascia - InspectionNews

Dave Hill · #1 (**permalink**) 10-28-2008, 02:57 PM

Hello wise ones...

I know this is a bad practice, but is there a code against attaching the patio cover to the fascia board? The patio cover extends to the left in the picture, only attached to the fascia boards, no bolts either.

Thank You!

Eric Barker · #2 (**permalink**) 10-28-2008, 03:18 PM

The fact that you already know that its bad practice and the fascia is not bolted should be enough. Besides, do you know what code would have applied when that cover was built?

Dave Hill · #3 (**permalink**) 10-28-2008, 03:29 PM

Eric,

Thanks for the quick response. Sometimes I just need to bounce ideas off of someone, (and my dog is not much help)!

I was looking in the Appendix H of my IRC book. AH101.1 covers the scope, AH104 discusses design loads. I didn't think neither addressed the bone head practice of attaching directly to the fascia.

Thanks!
-Dave

Richard Pultar · #4 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 09:24 PM

when the fachia becomes a beam it get a 3 " bearing on each end.
when the fachia becomes a header it get 1 1/2 " bearing each end
this fachia is not a fachia anymore, code wise...
I'd let this go . it 's shoddy carpentry but with no load but rain water and dead load
why care. It works leave it alone.
It's a insult to call it carpentry. It works in spite of HOLY CODE sins.

Wayne Carlisle · #5 (**permalink**) 10-30-2008, 07:51 AM

2X6 patio construction attached to 2X4 facia is not proper construction in my opinion.

The overhang should have been ripped off and the patio cover attached to the structure/top plate to keep from a separation problem.

2X6 ceiling/rafters are spanning how far??? Probably over spanned!

Wayne

Jerry Peck · #6 (**permalink**) 10-30-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard Pultar

I'd let this go . it 's shoddy carpentry but with no load but rain water and dead load
why care. It works leave it alone.

Because there is load.

Gravity load of the structure.

Wind load.

Snow load (if in snow area).

Quote:

It's a insult to call it carpentry. It works in spite of HOLY CODE sins.

How can you say "it works"?

It just 'has not fallen yet'.

Eric Barker · #7 (**permalink**) 10-30-2008, 11:39 AM

Richard,

I frequently see stuff that's wrong and even though I expect that they'll continue to function without problem, I'll write up a need for correction. I'll sometimes tell the client that they may have no problem. But I also tell them that I'm not paid to ignore such conditions. My clients appreciate knowing what the parameters are along with my perspective.

With Dave's picture, I would not say that I would not expect a problem down the road. A little bit of decay gets started in the rafter tails and the fascia nails begin to loose their grip, or the roof gets a 20" wet snow load that it never has had before - just to much to be able to say that there will never be a problem just because they never has been one.

Just some friendly thoughts!

Ted Menelly · #8 (**permalink**) 10-30-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne Carlisle

2X6 patio construction attached to 2X4 facia is not proper construction in my opinion.

The overhang should have been ripped off and the patio cover attached to the structure/top plate to keep from a separation problem.

2X6 ceiling/rafters are spanning how far??? Probably over spanned!

Wayne

You must admit Wayne. Being in the position you are and we Texas HIs are we see this all the time down here. No it is not right and I right it up all the time. The reason they do it like this and think it is OK is because there are no other loads on it here.

I write it up and maybe a few percent are fixed

Rick Hurst · #9 (**permalink**) 10-30-2008, 01:03 PM

Ted,

I'm sure this picture below is all to familar to you. I see this all of the time.

rick

Ted Menelly · #10 (**permalink**) 10-30-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Hurst

Ted,

I'm sure this picture below is all to familiar to you. I see this all of the time.

rick

What I like best is when you see proper attachment but the rafters are 2x4 and a 12 foot span and 2 feet on center.

Dave Hill · #11 (**permalink**) 10-30-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Barker

.... But I also tell them that I'm not paid to ignore such conditions...

Just some friendly thoughts!

Eric,
I like that, I may start using that, (if I can remember it). Good way to put it. Cheers!

Dana Bostick · #12 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Ted Menelly

You must admit Wayne. Being in the position you are and we Texas HIs are we see this all the time down here. No it is not right and I right it up all the time. The reason they do it like this and think it is OK is because there are no other loads on it here.

I write it up and maybe a few percent are fixed

Having just returned from "Teyhas" and hurricane Ike, this would be a self-correcting problem there. It would be in the neighbors yard or somewhere other than attached to this house.

Steve Lowery · #13 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008, 07:27 AM

Rick, did you call those sheetrock screws?