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07-05-2007, 11:31 AM
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CSST
Just wondering what everyone thought about CSST?
CSST Settlement - Home Page
I will sit back before I comment.
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07-05-2007, 01:19 PM
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Re: CSST
Just recently had a client call the manuf. (Tracpipe) and ask about this.
I had been recommending the pipes be bonded to the GEC but Tracpipe says they only recommend it in high lightning zones, my area is a low to medium zone.
Only one builder grounds theirs around here, all others never heard of it.
No AHJ's around here are requiring it either, until permits pulled after 9/2007 then they (Meck. County)require the additional bonding to the GEC instead of just the bonding achieved through the furnace valve/cabinet.
The new CSST called counterstrike has a black sheathing and does not need the additional bonding according to the manuf.
Last edited by Bruce King : 01-28-2008 at 06:38 AM.
Reason: new information added
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07-05-2007, 01:26 PM
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Re: CSST
This has also been discussed a few times in the archives - try a search there.
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07-05-2007, 02:02 PM
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Re: CSST
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07-05-2007, 02:56 PM
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Re: CSST
Code REQUIRES all metal gas piping be bonded to ground.
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01-27-2008, 08:59 PM
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Re: CSST
Re: CSST
WARDFLEX STEPSAVER
Mike - thanks for the link. Click on their applications link and look at "furnaces and water heaters" - they're using black pipe!
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01-28-2008, 06:53 AM
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Re: CSST
It dosen't matter what we think. What matters is what happens if we do not report what we see and know to be an item of concern. How much concern is left up to Laywers. Thats what they are for. We just see the ball and throw it at them.
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01-28-2008, 09:57 AM
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Re: CSST
Well, as CSST is metal pipe, it needs to be grounded. What harm can come from grounding it even if the manufacturer does not require it.
I started reporting ungrounded CSST about a year ago. I seldom get any arguments over it being grounded and when I do I just send a snip of the code to the folks.
The problem is that the CSST pipe is so thin that lighting will punch a hole in it unlike black pipe. With the ground wire this gives the lighting a path to the ground. Kind of a simple explanation but I think it covers it fairly well.
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01-28-2008, 10:42 AM
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Re: CSST
If the CSST is connected to hard-pipe which is bonded, you're ok, according to Gastite.
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01-28-2008, 02:22 PM
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Re: CSST
Originally Posted by Mike Parks
Settlement regarding CSST closed last fall (2007). That website has been about for some time.
As for CSST I don't have any particular problems with it as long as it is installed correctly.
Frisco, TX (where I get a lot of HIs) is one of the highest hit rates for lightning strikes in the U.S.. They also have some of the strongest additional grounding requirements for residential construction. It is not just CSST that Frisco has written 'additional' grounding requirments for.
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01-28-2008, 04:14 PM
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Re: CSST
Nolan and others, I see the additional bonding in the Frisco new construction, but I have not found any specific information on their website. Do you have anything from them on that? I am guessing it is not just CSST bonding but whole house lightening protection.
Also, I found something about a automatic flow shutoff valve on the gas entrance and branch piping. Any information on that?
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01-28-2008, 05:24 PM
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Re: CSST
Jim,
I've got a copy of the schematic for the gas pipe bonding from Frisco that also mentions an excessive gas flow shut-off valve.
Let me know if you want me to send it to you. Since it's a scanned document and the lettering is small, I don't think it will post here on the forum very well.
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01-28-2008, 08:34 PM
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Re: CSST
Originally Posted by Jim Luttrall
Nolan and others, I see the additional bonding in the Frisco new construction, but I have not found any specific information on their website. Do you have anything from them on that? I am guessing it is not just CSST bonding but whole house lightening protection.
Also, I found something about a automatic flow shutoff valve on the gas entrance and branch piping. Any information on that?
Jim,
Attached are a few scanned pages from a bunch of information I got from one of the Frisco City Code Officials. I went over to the "city hall" on Main West of Preston last summer to chat about some radiant barrier requirements I had heard about.
Anyway ... I left with a bunch of hardcopy information from the official. The attached pages are from a 38-page document that is a supplement guideline to help residential house builders ... verbiage taken from the cover page.
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01-28-2008, 08:55 PM
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Re: CSST
Thanks Nolan, thats what I was looking for!
I guess the Frisco fire marshal had a big hand in drafting those standards.
I have not see anything else as strict as theirs.
I was at the TAREI meeting where one of the P.E. that does windstorm certifications said that the new standards for CSST required bonding at each section, but there is nothing like that on any of the manufacturer's sites except the single bonding location.
Thanks, Jim
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01-29-2008, 02:00 PM
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Re: CSST
Jake shared this diagram with me. This is from Frisco, TX (the place where the CSST litigation started).
I found it very interesting. Basically, they have amended to require bonding everything in the attic which is where most equipment is located here. I guess the idea is to try and afford some lightening protection.
Also notice the gas flow shut off requirement.
Thanks Jake.
Jim
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02-06-2008, 06:49 AM
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Re: CSST
jake
could you fax that schematic over to me---i'm in colorado and we have alot of lightning--i can't make out anything from the thread
thanks charlie
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02-08-2008, 01:03 PM
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Re: CSST
Charlie,
Send me your email address and I'll attach and send it to you...easier for me.
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02-08-2008, 01:51 PM
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Re: CSST
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03-02-2008, 07:19 AM
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Re: CSST
Last few pages of this doc. have clear diagrams
http://www.ciatx.org/downloadables/C...e_Brochure.pdf
Charlie, I guess the hyperlink didn't attach correctly
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03-02-2008, 07:54 AM
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Re: CSST
hey barry
what doc. and what diagrams
charlie
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03-02-2008, 04:22 PM
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Re: CSST
Originally Posted by CHARLIE VAN FLEET
hey barry
what doc. and what diagrams
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