AFCI BREAKERS REQUIRED IN NEW SERVICE PANEL INSTALLATION

**CHARLIE VAN FLEET** · 04-01-2010, 05:05 PM

HEY GUYS NEED A SPARKY HERE

OK having a battle with some local sparkys. i have seen new istallations on main breaker boxes lately that do not have afci breakers installed.
in denver every city has a different NEC that they follow.

but should they not be installing afci breakers in all bedrooms and now even most living areas. if they just put in new service panel.

thanks for your help

also please read my last thread on aluminum wire repairs and purple wire nut--need help on both issues

cvf

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**Jerry Peck** · 04-01-2010, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by CHARLIE VAN FLEET

in denver every city

Scratching my head here ... I thought "Denver" was a city?

but should they not be installing afci breakers in all bedrooms and now even most living areas. if they just put in new service panel.

Not necessarily as "the circuits" were already there. Now, install a "new" circuit and the answer would be "yes".

**CHARLIE VAN FLEET** · 04-01-2010, 05:47 PM

HEY JP

yeah Denver is a city with lots of municipalities is what i should have said.

so afcis only if new circuit as per new bedroom added. i get it

thanks

happy easter

cvf

**Jerry Peck** · 04-01-2010, 05:56 PM

Charlie,

You got it.

Think of it like this: I inspected rough electrical in a condo today in which the exterior front porch area has been enclosed and they added many new lights and receptacles - those NEW 'parts' of the circuits will require AFCI protection as the new "outlets" require AFCI protection, which will result in protecting those entire circuits.

**Gunnar Alquist** · 04-01-2010, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Scratching my head here ... I thought "Denver" was a city?

JP,

CHARLIE does not believe in punctuation or upper/lower case letters.

**CHARLIE VAN FLEET** · 04-01-2010, 06:33 PM

sorry GUNNAR

bad on typing. i sometimes leave cap key on and oh well better inspector then typer. will work on it. but hope i still get message across

happy easter

cvf

Roger Frazee · 04-02-2010, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by CHARLIE VAN FLEET

HEY GUYS NEED A SPARKY HERE

OK having a battle with some local sparkys. i have seen new istallations on main breaker boxes lately that do not have afci breakers installed.
in denver every city has a different NEC that they follow.

but should they not be installing afci breakers in all bedrooms and now even most living areas. if they just put in new service panel.

thanks for your help

also please read my last thread on aluminum wire repairs and purple wire nut--need help on both issues

cvf

I am assuming here that these 'sub-cities' ( sorry Jerry I just had too..

) that have a different or amended NEC are not amending the requirement for afci ? Or maybe the argument is afci is required but the sparky's are saying because it is new work on existing dwelling that the afci is not required ?

**CHARLIE VAN FLEET** · 04-02-2010, 08:56 AM

THAT'S IT ROGER

lots of non permit finished basements going in and bedroom, and who knows if they put new circuits in. so i just write it up afci recommended or required get electrician out.the sparkies get pissed. the ones who didn't pull permits

cvf

**Rollie Meyers** · 04-02-2010, 07:06 PM

If the panel is replaced, then no AFCI snake oil required, add or extend a circuit (depending on NEC edition adopted) then AFCI's are required. ATM, California is 2005 NEC.

Nolan Kienitz · 04-02-2010, 07:23 PM

CVF: 2008 NEC is one thing. Has the local AHJ "adopted" that version of the NEC without modification or exclusion?

Heck ... the Texas TREC SOP requires I inspect ALL houses to the current NEC and IRC. Many current "new home construction" does not / will not meet the requirement as the local AHJ has yet to adopt the current code cycle.

Then there are the dang local AHJ exclusions to the current code cycle. Assuming you can get your hands on them.

But ... it is still better than AT&T in many ways!!!!

Ted Menelly · 04-02-2010, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Nolan Kienitz

CVF: 2008 NEC is one thing. Has the local AHJ "adopted" that version of the NEC without modification or exclusion?

Heck ... the Texas TREC SOP requires I inspect ALL houses to the current NEC and IRC. Many current "new home construction" does not / will not meet the requirement as the local AHJ has yet to adopt the current code cycle.

Then there are the dang local AHJ exclusions to the current code cycle. Assuming you can get your hands on them.

But ... it is still better than AT&T in many ways!!!!

Huuuuuuh

Nolan Kienitz · 04-02-2010, 07:44 PM

TM -- CVF and I are both AT&T alums. I was with AT&T Labs for 20 -years doing construction and commercial inspections. My last many years with "T" were on classified projects (I had a very high clearance) doing builds/inspections on a contract "T" had with FBI, Secret Service, NSA ... etc.

Another life ... another time.

Ted Menelly · 04-02-2010, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Nolan Kienitz

TM -- CVF and I are both AT&T alums. I was with AT&T Labs for 20 -years doing construction and commercial inspections. My last many years with "T" were on classified projects (I had a very high clearance) doing builds/inspections on a contract "T" had with FBI, Secret Service, NSA ... etc.

Another life ... another time.

Now you are talking interesting stuff. My son in-law is still with the FBI. Can never get the involvement behind ones self !

**CHARLIE VAN FLEET** · 04-02-2010, 08:07 PM

NOLAN

how did you know i was with at&t. interesting. did we cross paths. or did you seee me smoking stuff in the at&t mens room.

cvf

Nolan Kienitz · 04-02-2010, 08:22 PM

CVF - We traded messages at some time in the past over this past year.

My gray matter just happened to kick it out.

I used to live in Denver and built a few sites for TCG as they were being purchased by "T".

Sites were down in the Denver Tech Center.