Helping the Newb

**Aaron Scheuerer** · 11-16-2016, 04:19 PM

Hey guys I'm still a young inspector learning the process and had a question. I've never seen PVC directly connected to the water supply main like this before is this ok? I didn't know if it could handle the pressure or not. Thanks!!!

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**Gunnar Alquist** · 11-16-2016, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Aaron Scheuerer

Hey guys I'm still a young inspector learning the process and had a question. I've never seen PVC directly connected to the water supply main like this before is this ok? I didn't know if it could handle the pressure or not. Thanks!!!

Hi Aaron,

To the best of my knowledge, PVC is not approved for use within the building envelope for water supply. It is ok for DWV.

**Jerry Peck** · 11-16-2016, 04:36 PM

Is that white (and just dirty) or is that yellowish)

White would be PVC, yellowish would be CPVC.

Both are permitted for that use.

The thing which caught my eye is that the shut off valve is on the supply side of the meter (presuming that the plastic piping is the house side).

I'm not sure of other areas, but I've always found the shut off valve on the house side.

The utility shut off valve is typically by the street from my experience, the utility shut off valve allows replacement of the meter ... the valve shown would allow the homeowner to remove the valve and replace it with pipe between meter readings.

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Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist

Hi Aaron,

To the best of my knowledge, PVC is not approved for use within the building envelope for water supply. It is ok for DWV.

That looks like it is the water service pipe outside the building ... but that is a good clarification which needs to be made as the location does matter.

**Aaron Scheuerer** · 11-16-2016, 04:37 PM

Thanks guys!! Yes I did notice the shut off valve on the opposite side as well I didn't know if that was an issue that I should write up though. It is definitely white pvc though. I looked in my code check book and in the water supply section it says PVC is fine for service but not distribution. What is the difference between service and distribution ?

**Jerry Peck** · 11-16-2016, 04:40 PM

Water service pipe is outside the building and ends at the service shut off valve, which should also be outside the building.

Water distribution piping is from the service shut off valveiinto the building and throughout the building.

**Aaron Scheuerer** · 11-16-2016, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Water service pipe is outside the building and ends at the service shut off valve, which should also be outside the building.

Water distribution piping is from the service shut off valveiinto the building and throughout the building.

How can can that be? It says that it's fine for service but not distrubution but it is used all the time for distrubution right? And if what u are saying is true than isn't this pvc on the distrubution side meaning that it's not supposed to be used in this spot ?

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There is also pVC going to the water heater so this is wrong too right ? Sorry for so many questions this is literally like my 3rd inspection ever on my own I just want to be sure

**Jerry Peck** · 11-16-2016, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Aaron Scheuerer

How can can that be? It says that it's fine for service but not distrubution but it is used all the time for distrubution right? And if what u are saying is true than isn't this pvc on the distrubution side meaning that it's not supposed to be used in this spot ?

If it is PVC, it needs to be outside the foot print of the house if on a pressure line.

There is also pVC going to the water heater so this is wrong too right ? Sorry for so many questions this is literally like my 3rd inspection ever on my own I just want to be sure

Looks like CPVC, see that yellowish glue? That pipe is likely yellowish (kind of a cream/yellow color) - that is CPVC, and CPVC is allowed inside.

**Aaron Scheuerer** · 11-16-2016, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

If it is PVC, it needs to be outside the foot print of the house if on a pressure line.

Looks like CPVC, see that yellowish glue? That pipe is likely yellowish (kind of a cream/yellow color) - that is CPVC, and CPVC is allowed inside.

ahhhhhhh awesome thanks!!!!!

**Steven Reckner** · 11-16-2016, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Aaron Scheuerer

Thanks guys!! Yes I did notice the shut off valve on the opposite side as well I didn't know if that was an issue that I should write up though. It is definitely white pvc though. I looked in my code check book and in the water supply section it says PVC is fine for service but not distribution. What is the difference between service and distribution ?

Is definitely something you want to write up if you think about it if they don't have a main water shut off on the house side, if that one on the street side were to ever break there's no way to turn off the water in their house. Huge future issue potentially.