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05-08-2019, 07:47 PM #1
GFCI under kitchen sink
This may have been answered before, but need information. Just under the kitchen sink and inside the cabinet door is a receptacle. Does the location of this require GFCI-protection? The receptacle is hot and easily reached by hand.
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05-08-2019, 09:43 PM #2
Re: GFCI under kitchen sink
NEC
210.8 (A) (6)
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05-08-2019, 10:17 PM #3
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05-09-2019, 07:00 AM #4
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05-09-2019, 04:54 PM #5
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05-16-2019, 04:32 PM #6
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Donald, Scott Walker of CMP 5 explained that the intent of the rules to our IAEI chapter, saying that the panelists were talking about room doors as exempting receptacles near sinks from the GFCI requirement. Hence revised wording for 2020.
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05-16-2019, 06:34 PM #7
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05-16-2019, 09:08 PM #8
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For 2020, they've eliminated "door, doorway, or" in describing how to measure distance from an appliance connected to the receptacle to a sink in 210.8.
If you're an NFPA member, and if we learn later today that a Certified Amending Motion challenges this change, you can vote against it in San Antonio on June 20 or 21. If not, you can urge AHJs not to enforce it, or to ask local legislators to amend it out when adopting the 2020.
As a HI, whether you can discount the 2020 as representing best practices is something you would know much better than I.
And that's about all I know on the matter.
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06-04-2019, 03:55 PM #9
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So, what is the answer to his question? All other responses are garblygook.
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06-04-2019, 05:27 PM #10
Re: GFCI under kitchen sink
The answer is: "It depends."
It depends on if the question is "Is the receptacle under the sink is for a dishwasher?" Yes, maybe.
And it depends on if the question is "If that receptacle under the sink is for a dishwasher, is that receptacle required to be GFCI protected?" Yes, maybe.
If the question is: "If that receptacle under the sink is for a dishwasher, and the house was built before the 2014 NEC was applicable in that area, or the receptacle was added prior to the 2014 NEC being applicable in that area, is that receptacle required to have GFCI protection?" No, it is not required to have GFCI protection.
If the last question above was asking: " ... , is should that receptacle have GFCI protection?" Yes, because current code recognizes the hazard that the dishwasher receptacle presents when not GFCI protected, that receptacle "should" (but is not "required to") "have GFCI protection".
So, the best answer, without elaboration, would be: "It depends.", and "it depends" on what additional information is given.
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