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01-30-2008, 08:28 PM #1
Texas Electrician Rates and Rules?
Last edited by Al Roden; 01-30-2008 at 08:40 PM. Reason: Dummy answered some of his own question
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01-30-2008, 08:38 PM #2
Re: Texas Electrician Rates and Rules?
Yes.
The rules that I read say that an apprentice must work under the 'supervision' of a master electrician for 8000 hours prior to becoming a Journeyman...but it does not say 'direct supervision'.
So, I was wondering if it is legal for a Journeyman and an Apprentice to wire a house without the Master Electrician ever being on the the premises at any time?
And is it appropriate to charge $45 per man hour for both the Journeyman and the Apprentice? It would seem to me that one is more valuable than the other.
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01-30-2008, 08:50 PM #3
Re: Texas Electrician Rates and Rules?
Man, you're fast...you answered before I could delete. Thanks.
I looked up the licensing rules on the Texas licensing website and got my answers...a journeyman can supervise an apprentice.
It's irritating though that the electricians, who spit tobacco on my garage floors, leave spit cups around the house and trample my wood floors that are acclimating don't know more about wiring a house than they do. They're ok but I expect more from both of them.
I was told that two (2) electricans would be wiring my house and the rate would be $45 per man hour (90 total). And that's fine with me...BUT when I watch them and later talk with them, it's clear that the Journeyman is spending too much of my $90/hour teaching the apprentice how to do the work. That's irritating too.
So I fired them too.
Now I have to go out and find another electrician before the word gets out on me that I'm a pain in the ass to work for.
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01-30-2008, 09:25 PM #4
Re: Texas Electrician Rates and Rules?
Al,
Go to the 'User CP' link on the top left, then 'Edit Profile' and type in your city and state (which I know now must be Texas) - it helps everyone out with their answers.
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01-30-2008, 09:32 PM #5
Re: Texas Electrician Rates and Rules?
done.
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01-31-2008, 06:26 AM #6
Re: Texas Electrician Rates and Rules?
That's why it is better to get a 'job price' than a 'per hour' price. You really should not be concerned 'how long it takes' but that 'it is done right'. I know some think that a 'job price' includes overhead and profit, and it does, and it should, just like your prices do, and that the overhead and profit are to great - however, their overhead and profit are also built into the 'per hour' price, and a 'per hour' price gives them an incentive to 'make more', not 'do more'. A 'job price' gives the incentive to 'get done' and that the sooner they 'get done' the more they make.
BUT when I watch them and later talk with them, it's clear that the Journeyman is spending too much of my $90/hour teaching the apprentice how to do the work.
If you stop the journeyman from teaching the apprentice, one likely response would be to let the apprentice 'do his own thing' and learn that way when it has to be re-done. I doubt you want that either.
I am sure there are reasons for having gone with a 'per hour' price.
So I fired them too.
Your choice, but having been a General Contractor for many years with my own small company, I *ALWAYS* wanted a 'job price', that way I knew my costs and did not have to pay more than 'X' - unless, or course, there were change orders, and there usually were because clients tend to change their minds on what they want.
But the client paid for that, and my OH & P was in there too.
Now I have to go out and find another electrician before the word gets out on me that I'm a pain in the ass to work for.
Happy hunting.
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