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06-22-2007, 04:15 PM
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How are repairs performed
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06-23-2007, 07:36 AM
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Re: How are repairs performed
You should move on to bigger issues.
JMHO
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06-23-2007, 08:42 AM
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Re: How are repairs performed
If its going to be repaired at all it should be done correctly. In the first photo that would involve removing the cable end patch material and opening up the cable end pocket again. The end of the steel cable then needs to be greased and have a plastic end cap installed. Then grout the open cable end pocket back in with non-shrinking grout cement.
The second photo looks more like a nail that held one of the cable end flanges to the form board rather than a cable tendon end. If it is a cable end, then the above procedure all over again.
The way these will most likely be repaired if they are repaired at all will be to butter over the spots with a little more grout cement to hid the rusty spots that are forming.
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06-23-2007, 08:59 AM
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Re: How are repairs performed
His weep holes are a bigger problem than that cable end (looks like a nail) in my opinion.
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06-23-2007, 12:44 PM
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Re: How are repairs performed
The first one is a cable end... The only proper repair was described by Philip.
However, it is never done that way. The glazing cover is all that is ever done.
Nails... who cares. Like Rick H says, move on to bigger things.
Rich
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06-23-2007, 12:50 PM
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Re: How are repairs performed
Originally Posted by Richard Rushing
The first one is a cable end...
Man, that's the smallest cable I've ever seen.
I'd say it was the end of WWM, or ... a nail ... |
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06-23-2007, 03:05 PM
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Re: How are repairs performed
I guess it is the smallest you've ever seen, JP. 
That first one is definately a cable end. To the right of the cable end is a batter board nail and to the left is... No batter board nail (covered).
Rich
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06-23-2007, 05:13 PM
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Re: How are repairs performed
Originally Posted by Richard Rushing
I guess it is the smallest you've ever seen, JP.
Rich,
I'm game ...
What size is that "cable"?
1"?
1/2"?
1/4"?
1/8"?
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06-23-2007, 06:35 PM
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Re: How are repairs performed
Can't tell Jerry. The actual circumference (outside diameter) is covered. What you are seeing there is only part of the end (the inside part).
Are you saying that this is *NOT* a cable end????  Huh??
Rich
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06-24-2007, 12:36 AM
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Re: How are repairs performed
Jerry,
The first photo does look to me like a grouping of the individual strands that make up the individual cable tendons. The steel in the tendons used around here are typically about ½ to 5/8 inch in diameter and are comprised of several individual strands about the thickness of a 16d nail each and all grouped together within a plastic sheathing. The sawn end of the cable looks just like that dot pattern in the first photo.
Are you seeing something different?
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06-24-2007, 08:44 AM
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Re: How are repairs performed
Originally Posted by Richard Rushing
Are you saying that this is *NOT* a cable end???? Huh??
Rich
Yep. That's what I'm saying.
Looks WAY TOO SMALL to be a cable end. |
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06-24-2007, 08:55 AM
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Re: How are repairs performed
Originally Posted by Phillip Stojanik
Jerry,
The first photo does look to me like a grouping of the individual strands that make up the individual cable tendons.
It looked like a grouping of individual strands to me, however, a grouping of strands is not strands wrapped around a much larger single center cable - as would be with the pattern shown in that photo.
Besides ...
The steel in the tendons used around here are typically about ½ to 5/8 inch in diameter
If that "cable end" is 1/2" or 5/8" ... how big is that brick above it?
Look at the size of the 1/2" or 5/8" cable (assume that is what it is) and look at the relative size of that 3/8" mortar joint. Is that mortar joint, which is about twice as thick as that rust spot, really 1" or greater?
How big would that brick be if that mortar joint is 1" or greater? HUGE!
I really doubt it.
and are comprised of several individual strands about the thickness of a 16d nail each and all grouped together within a plastic sheathing. The sawn end of the cable looks just like that dot pattern in the first photo.
Are you seeing something different?
Yes.
I am seeing something smaller than 3/8" in diameter, maybe more like 3/16" to 1/4" in diameter or less.
Which is why I say it is not a cable - I've never seen a PT cable that small. |
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06-24-2007, 09:47 AM
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Re: How are repairs performed
This is a small issue as Rick said, but I can't resist.
Jerry, are you looking at the same picture? I am looking at the left picture without the arrow.
"I " can't get any dimensions off of anything in that picture since it is stone, not brick and mortar joints will vary as will size of weeps.
The total end of the cable does not appear to be visible, it appears partially obscured by cement around the circumference, IMO.
The small rust spot a short distance to the right does appear the right size and location for a form nail.
I agree with others, this is the usual appearance of a cable end for post tension as is common to this local.
The right photo is just a nail.
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06-24-2007, 03:51 PM
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Re: How are repairs performed
Originally Posted by Jim Luttrall
Jerry, are you looking at the same picture? I am looking at the left picture without the arrow.
You tell me. See attached drawing.
I agree with others, this is the usual appearance of a cable end for post tension as is common to this local.[/quote]
Please take a photo of the next cable end you see and post it for me, okay?
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06-24-2007, 04:24 PM
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Re: How are repairs performed
You asked....
The one on the left in Johns picture looks like the one on the left in my photo below...
That IS a post tensioned cable. Again, not all of the cable is exposed.
Rich
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06-24-2007, 05:18 PM
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Re: How are repairs performed
I think what is present in John's picture is the same as in the one below.
Nail heads.
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06-24-2007, 06:40 PM
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Re: How are repairs performed
Originally Posted by Richard Rushing
You asked....
The one on the left in Johns picture looks like the one on the left in my photo below...
Rich,
Nope.
John's photo does not look like that. In MY drawing, the left one looks like your cable, but John's photo looks like my right drawing - which does not look like your cable. |
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06-25-2007, 04:50 AM
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Re: How are repairs performed
Jerry, I don't know what your eyes are seeing....
But, the rest of us who see the real cables every day (and not some cartoon) are absolutely sure when we see the real deal.
Oh well... I'm sure you guys seen these every day too.
Rich
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06-25-2007, 06:20 AM
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Re: How are repairs performed
Rich,
I'm seeing the same thing Rick is seeing.  |
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