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Thread: 3x4 Cripple Studs
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02-05-2010, 06:19 PM #1
3x4 Cripple Studs
1980, 2 story condo built on a downsloped lot. The cripple wall studs on the foundation crawlspace were 3x4. Generally, I seen 2x6 studs when supporting two stories. The studs are sized-up, just not in the same dimension that I typically see.
I will probably flag it anyway, but I was hoping for some feedback.
So... Whachoo think?
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02-05-2010, 06:24 PM #2
Re: 3x4 Cripple Studs
Duh, never mind. I found it.
IRC 602.3.1
Table 602.3(5)
Too bad I can't delete stupidity.
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02-05-2010, 08:26 PM #3
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02-05-2010, 08:33 PM #4
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02-05-2010, 10:48 PM #5
Re: 3x4 Cripple Studs
Maybe a portable mill guy made some lumber. Might have been a tree right on the lot.
I see roughcut milled lumber once in a while "out in the sticks". The town Code inspectors only want to see stamped wood from the mill, wood that is sanded and graded.
Gunnar, did you see a timber stamp? I just relooked the pics, too smooth for homemade, unless he planed it too. Maybe metric lumber meant for export?
Is relooked a word? It should be. []
Last edited by John Kogel; 02-05-2010 at 10:55 PM.
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02-06-2010, 12:42 AM #6
Re: 3x4 Cripple Studs
Unlikely to be homemade. Condo development. Multiple buildings. I did not think to look for a stamp, I was more interested in the unusual (to me) dimension. I have only seen 2x6s used in situations like this. However, according to the IRC, 3x4s are interchangeable. However, I too have never seen 3x4s. Must have been a special order.
By the way, the IN spell check does not recognize "relook" or its variants.
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02-06-2010, 11:10 PM #7
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02-07-2010, 07:53 AM #8
Re: 3x4 Cripple Studs
2x6=12
3x4=12
Sounds good to me
You are in California. Things are a bit differnet out there. Arn't they? Isn't that the state where the words were written "You can get anything you want at ......" Maybe it has something to do with all those workers smokin medical weed. 3x4, 2x6, sounds the same to me!
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02-07-2010, 09:54 AM #9
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02-10-2010, 08:52 PM #10
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02-11-2010, 10:41 AM #11
Re: 3x4 Cripple Studs
gunnar,
i am not seeing a mudsill or bolts of any kind? i am not seeing insulation either? what's up?
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02-11-2010, 06:17 PM #12
Re: 3x4 Cripple Studs
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02-11-2010, 09:18 PM #13
Re: 3x4 Cripple Studs
The few times i have seen unusual sized framing is when the buiding is a pre-fab modular. This must have been cost saving.
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02-12-2010, 01:09 AM #14
Re: 3x4 Cripple Studs
In my rush review of comments I saw simple math (section "area") to demonstrate some kind of strength equivalency in resistance to "crippling".
It doesn't really work that way. Formula to check/compare column strength (compression along its vertical axis and in this case fully supported along each cripple's length by the sheathing and redundant in members) is to look at the member's section modulus about it's narrow central axis. Compare this to a 2 x 6's section modulus (greater or equal is desirable). Specie and grade factors into this also. BUT why analyze all this if the structure has apparently not been altered and has stood the test of time??
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02-12-2010, 09:16 AM #15
Re: 3x4 Cripple Studs
gunnar,
i built my first home in 1978 and still have the original required energy calcs and the underfloor was required to be insulated with r-11, walls r-11 and roof r-19! my second and current house i built in 1982 and it required r-11 under floor, 19 ceiling and 19 walls.i live in the mt shasta area so it may have been different from the flatlands at the time or not enforced by the local ahj!
the 3x4 studs as you discovered are currently and were code complying at the time of construction.
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02-12-2010, 06:29 PM #16
Re: 3x4 Cripple Studs
Daniel,
1rst- Welcome to the board.
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Ted was being facetious, and I was making a joke (or at least attempting to).
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BUT why analyze all this if the structure has apparently not been altered and has stood the test of time??
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Formula to check/compare column strength (compression along its vertical axis and in this case fully supported along each cripple's length by the sheathing and redundant in members) is to look at the member's section modulus about it's narrow central axis. Compare this to a 2 x 6's section modulus (greater or equal is desirable). Specie and grade factors into this also.
The bad news for me is, I have no idea what the hell it means.
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